A final word to Sally and HKDR

Sally,
Okka just came to pick up Nina and BE. I hope you know how you have made a sad situation much worse. You may be able to rehome BE quickly, but there is no guarantee of this… and certainly less of a guarantee that he will find a loving home like ours. As you said, Nina will be more difficult. We understand this, which is why we offered our help numerous times, but you resolutely refused. I will work on my own to convince someone to home nina and BE, as I realize that we have some responsibility in this situation, but the brunt of the blame lays with you. It was sad to have to give back Nina, but my job is to do what is best for my growing family and Sawyer: I did that. Your job is to do what is best for dogs like BE: you failed.
Dan

This is how it all started…

From: Daniel
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 2:22 PM
To: training@hongkongdogrescue.com>, <libby
Subject: Nina

Hi Mark,

Nina is doing well, she she’s come out of her shell quite a bit since arriving here on Robinson Road Friday afternoon and shown herself to be a very sweet and happy girl. This morning we all took a long walk up to the Peak and she did a great job. We do have one concern though: she plays quite rough with Sawyer. A few times he’s yelped while playing and he’s taken to going under our dining room table (where she won’t go) when she tries to play with him inside. My wife is particularly worried as Sawyer suffered a leg injury from rough play once before (maybe he has a little italian greyhound in him?) Thoughts/advice much appreciated.

With thanks,
Dan

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:11:26 -0800
Subject: re: Nina
From: Training@hongkongdogrescue.com
To: Dan, Libby
CC: sally@hongkongdogrescue.com; adoption.admin@hongkongdogrescue.com; adoptions@hongkongdogrescue.com

Hi Dan & Libby,


I’m glad Nina is settling down with you all and that you’re having a chance to see her true nature come out. Regarding the play, I wouldn’t worry too much about it as they are both still just learning who each other is. It should naturally settle down with time.

Just a couple of things to keep in mind:

1) you should watch that if Sawyer indicates he doesn’t want to play, Nina should respect that and leave him alone. So, in this case, if Sawyer goes under the table, Nina should stop and leave him alone there.

2) If you feel the play is simply too rough, give Nina a sharp “uh-uh” and separate them for about 60 seconds and then re-introduce them again. Repeat as many times as you need to so Nina can learn what is acceptable and what isn’t. Please keep the separations short, otherwise a dog cannot connect the behaviour to the time-out “punishment”.

3) Please remember that you need to treat them fairly. If Sawyer is doing something wrong, you need to give him the same timeout as you would Nina. This is usually very hard as he is “your” dog and Nina is the new dog, but fairness is very important so that they can learn to live together happily.

Please let us know how it’s going through this week and if you have any questions or concerns.

We all have our fingers, legs and just about everything else, crossed for Nina!

Thanks for giving her a chance to prove what a great dog she can be.

Regards,


Mark
Behaviour & Training Manager
Phone:   6710.8689



So we followed HKDR’s advice to “give it more time” and this is what happened next…

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My Experience with Hong Kong Dog Rescue

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From: Daniel

Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 5:52 PM

To: sally@hongkongdogrescue.com
Subject:

Dear Sally,

It is with deep regret but absolute assurance that I write to let you  know that we can no longer keep Nina. We have been trying to help her fit into our family for four months and finally have to admit that we are not the right match for each other. Despite getting lots of exercise every day she is simply too big and too strong for us (and especially for Sawyer) andconsequently the all of time we spend with the dogs is incredibly stressful rather then enjoyable. I would strongly recommend that Nina be placed in a home where she can be the only dog as I suspect that would help cut down on her pushiness. My wife is 2 months pregnant and last weekend Nina knocked her legs right out from under her while playing at the beach. This incident in no way makes Nina a problem dog but it makes it absolutely clear to us that she is not the right dog for us. We want her to find the right home and are willing to do whatever we can to assist to make that happen.

Disappointed but sincere,

Dan

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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 07:51:31 -0700
Subject: re: Nina
From: Sally@HongKongDogRescue.com
To: Dan
CC: training@hongkongdogrescue.com; adoptions@hongkongdogrescue.com;kennels@hongkongdogrescue.com; adoption.admin@hongkongdogrescue.com

Dan,

I’m left totally speechless. This is the first I’ve heard of any problem, and quite the opposite. Every email has been totally positive and this is really very upsetting. To keep Nina for so long and then to suddenly say you want to return her is so unfair on Nina. You’d better bring Big Ears back too.

Sally

HONG KONG DOG RESCUE
Sally Andersen, Founder
Web: www.hongkongdogrescue.com
email: sally@hongkongdogrescue.com
Blog: http://hkdr.wordpress.com
Mob: 94481128

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Subject: RE: Nina
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 11:19:29 -0400

Sally,

We are upset and disappointed as well. I can only tell you that we have been working very hard to stay positive about Nina but in the end have to face the facts that it’s not working. I find it surprising that you would take Big Ears out of a good home where he is loved and cared for but the decision is yours.

Dan

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From: Libby

Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 12:50 AM

To: Daniel ,

Subject: Re: FW: Nina

Dear Sally,

I understand how upset you feel about Nina because we feel the same way. Please know that this is not a decision we came to either quickly or easily. I apologize for not alerting you to the issues earlier but we truly believed that if we continued to invest our time and effort (and you know we have invested LOTS of both) that Nina would settle into a good playmat forSawyer. Sadly, this has not been the case. I will not continue to allow Sawyer to remain in a position where nearly every play session ends with him being pushed around and bullied into a corner by Nina. Sawyer now prefers to sleep in the kitchen at night rather then the bedroom (because Nina is in the bedroom) and that just breaks my heart. We have tried intervening and not intervening but at the end of the day nothing seems to work. We feel terrible for Nina and I repeat my husband’s sentiment that we remain willing to do anything we can to assist in finding her the right home.

We love Big Ears very much. He is happy and thriving here and is very attached to Sawyer, our family, and our home. I understand you are angry at us and are worried about both your dogs but I strongly urge you to reconsider your request for Big Ears return.

Please call me if you would like to speak further. (private number redacted)

Libby

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On 6/28/10, Sally HKDR wrote:
Dan and Libby,

I also asked if you wanted to keep Big Ears and you said probably but you would get back to me. You didn’t. Nor did you ask for training help for Nina. Please bring both dogs back immediately.

Sally

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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:52:14 +0800
Subject: Re: FW: Nina
From: Libby
To: Sally@hongkongdogrescue.com; dsantella@hotmail.com; adoptions@hongkongdogrescue.com; kennels@hongkongdogresuce.comadoption.admin@hongkongdogrescue.com; Training@hongkongdogrescue.com

Sally,

I said I wanted to keep Big Ears but would get back to you to confirm because when you asked about him we were still trying to figure out what to do for Nina. We did not ask for assistance with training for Nina because she is reasonably well trained. The problem is not misbehaviour but incompatibility with Sawyer.

It’s a real shame to remove Big Ears from a home in which he is very happy. I also wish you would acknowledge our repeated offer to help Nina find a good home.
Libby

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From: Daniel

Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 9:01 AM
To: Sally et al

Subject: RE: Nina

Sally,

I really resent your attempts to paint us as irresponsible dog owners and your disrespectful tone. My wife and I have spent the past four years giving everything to our rescue Sawyer, who we would do anything to protect and care for. We provide him a loving home, exercise, and have spent countless hours with him and huge sums of money on him. No one who knows us would doubt our devotion to him. Because another dog does not fit in with  our family does not negate any of this and does not warrant your reactionary “all or nothing” decision to take Big Ears away if we do not keep Nina.

Again, we have had our troubles with Nina. She is too rough in her play with Sawyer and we fear a recurrence of an injury he had a few years back, where my wife and I nursed him through four months of a leg injury. But our concerns do not stop with Sawyer, as my wife and I are expecting a child later in the year. Nina is certainly not aggressive, but she is bigger than she knows and certainly stronger. And while this bull in a China shop behavior is not good for Sawyer, it certainly will not work in a house with a young child. You of all people should know that there are many different types of dogs with different personalities and temperaments. Nina is not good for our home and however painful that conclusion is, the decision we have made based on this conclusion is the best for our family.

I respect your work in finding homes for rescue dogs, as they need someone to advocate for them, but your attitude and tone does a disservice to those of us on your side and ultimately undermines your goal of finding homes for dogs. Telling us to bring back Big Ears is an emotional reaction on your part that will take a dog out of a loving home where he fits in and is
loved.

Sincerely,
Daniel
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On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Sally HKDR
wrote:

Dan,

I don’t think there was anything in my “tone” that was disrespectful, only admitting that I was upset because at no time had you ever mentioned that there was any problem or issue with Nina, and the first we knew about it was when you sent a very curt email, almost accusatory, saying you no longer wanted her.

I am asking you to bring her back immediately as being at kennels is the best way to find her a new home. I asked before if you wanted to keep Big Ears and didn’t get a reply other than the equivalent of “probably”. We  can’t work like that. It leaves a dog in limbo, neither in a home nor being able to find one. In fact I have asked Maria, our foster coordinator, to ask all foster dogs to be brought back if the fosters can’t or won’t commit. Our concern is the dogs.

Regards,

Sally

HONG KONG DOG RESCUE
Sally Andersen, Founder
Web: www.hongkongdogrescue.com
email: sally@hongkongdogrescue.com
Blog: http://hkdr.wordpress.com
Mob: 94481128

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From: Libby Donohoe
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 9:29 AM
To: Sally@hongkongdogrescue.com
Subject: Re: Nina

Let’s all take a deep breath as clearly we are all upset. The thing that unites us here is that we all want to do what is best for each of the dogs. Sally, we can provide a permanent and loving home to Big Ears and should you agree we would like to keep him. We are willing to do whatever we can to help Nina find a safe and permanent home, if her immediate return to the  kennel is best then that’s what we’ll arrange.

Respectfully,
Libby

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On 6/30/10, Adoptions wrote:
Hi Libby,
Sally asked me to follow up with you. It’s sad that things have to end like this, but as you said, ultimately it’s Sally’s decision for what is the best for the dogs. Please let us know when can you bring back Nina and Big Ears.
Thank You.

Regards,
Alice
Adoption Department

Email: adoptions@hongkongdogrescue.com
Web: www.hongkongdogrescue.com

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From: Libby

Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 7:32 AM
To: adoptions@hongkongdogrescue.com, “Sally@hongkongdogrescue.com” <sally@hongkongdogrescue.com>, Dan
Subject: Re: Nina & Big Ears

Alice ans Sally,

I am astounded that Sally is still asking for Big Ears to be returned.
It strikes me as a completely reactionary response out of anger over
the situation with Nina. I always encouraged everyone I know to
support and adopt from HKDR (my brother adopting Bella as a result)
but after having been through this experience, where we came to you
with an honest problem and ended up being so “punished” I will
certainly support and encourage adoption from alternative rescues and
not HKDR.

Technically speaking I believe Big Ears still belongs to (name of prior owner redacted), his
first adoptive owner. I am thinking about getting in touch with her to
see if she would like to formalise our adoption of Big Ears without
HKDR’s involvement. I haven’t done this as it seems like such a petty
thing to do I was hoping we could work out things between us.

B.E. has just come in from playing in the garden and is happily eating
breakfast. What you are doing to him is thoughtless and certainly
counter to you goal of homing dogs. Nina is a safety risk to Sawyer
and our future baby. It is with a heavy heart and great disappointment
that we asked to help her find a new home. You are making a sad
situation so much worse.

Please let me know your thoughts.

Libby
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On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:36 AM, Sally HKDR <Sally@hongkongdogrescue.com> wrote:
Libby,

I am taking into account the fact that you are pregnant and that dogs like Big Ears don’t cope well with babies.  Finding him a new home now is the fairest thing for him, and the dogs are always our priority.

Sally

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From: Libby Donohoe
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: Nina & Big Ears
To: Sally@hongkongdogrescue.com
Cc: adoptions@hongkongdogrescue.com, dsantella@hotmail.com, adoption.admin@hongkongdogrescue.com, foster@hongkongdogrescue.com

Sally,

Had we formalized the adoption before this then you wouldn’t (couldn’t) be removing Big Ears simply because I’m knocked up. It seems awful of you to do it now just because you can. Are you really certain about this?

Libby

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From: Libby

Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:30 AM
To: Prior Owner, Daniel Santella, Sally
Subject: Fwd: Nina & Big Ears

Dear Prior Owner,

I hope this email finds you well. I write to let you know that HKDR is asking us to return Big Ears to them. I have forwarded the entire email exchange here so you can read everything that has been said for yourself and I hope you will take the time to read it all but to quickly sum up: We adopted Nina from HKDR at the end of February this year. After working very hard for four months to help her settle into our family we had to admit that to ourselves that it wasn’t working. Sawyer, our dog that we brought with us to HK from the US, was becoming more and more withdrawn and anxious and afraid of her. Additionally, I am pregnant, and we were very worried that Nina, who is very big and strong and frequently doesn’t control her movements well, would be a safety risk to the baby. We were very sad and embarrassed to write HKDR and ask about returning her as she is a sweet dog and we do love her but we knew our home was not the right home for her. Upon receipt of our email Sally asked (and continues to ask) that we return Big Ears as well. It strikes me as awful to remove the very happily settled Big Ears from our home on account what’s going on with Nina. First Sally said she wanted Big Ears back because we hadn’t formalized our adoption of him and this morning she said she wants him back because I’m pregnant.

Prior Owner, I believe you are still the legal owner of Big Ears. Dan and I would like very much to formalize our adoption of him and are hoping that we can adopt him directly from you without HKDR’s involvement (out of respect for them I am coping them on this email, however.) You are welcome to come visit him in our home and see how happy he is here before making a decision.

With thanks and very best regards,
Libby

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On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Sally HKDR <Sally@hongkongdogrescue.com> wrote:
Dear Prior Owner,

I apologise that you have somehow got involved in this situation.  Big Ears is licensed under my name and therefore the whole thing is irrelevant.

Regards,

Sally

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From: Daniel
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:20 AM
To: sally@hongkongdogrescue.com>, Libby
Subject: RE: Nina & Big Ears

Sally,

… I agree that better communication would have been preferable, but this does not make us bad owners.  As far as BE is concerned, it makes no sense to take him away because he MIGHT be bad with our new baby, especially since you are so angry with us for returning Nina even though she IS a bad fit for us.  We want to keep BE because he is a good fit for us and we are a good fit for him.  This should trump any personal issues you have with me and my wife.  If your goal is to house dogs in responsible homes, there is no reason to take BE away.  Even if he is placed quickly, you will still have one more dog in your kennels than you had before.  I humbly ask you to reconsider your decision.
Dan
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RE: Nina & Big Ears
Sally HKDR [Sally@HongKongDogRescue.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 12:48 PM
To: Dan and Libby
Attachments:

Dan,

We know for a fact that Big Ears doesn’t like children.  I also know from many years of dealing with dogs of all types, chihuahuas included, that very few do.  Keeping Big Ears in the hope that he will be the exception isn’t fair, and the fact that he will have been the “baby” until such time as the real baby appears makes it even more likely that he will be unhappy and resentful and you will be forced to re-home him.  This isn’t about your or me, it’s about the dog.

Sally


From: Prior Owner
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 11:32 AM
To: Sally@hongkongdogrescue.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: Nina & Big Ears

Sally,
I have signed the license transfer form on the day I adopted Big Ears, how come he is still under your name?  Anyway, that is not the most important part. After a month of time taking care B.E., I understand this dog very well.  He is a dog that needs full time companion, and as far as I know, he gets along very well with Sawyer.  Also, considering the living environment, MuiWo is a wonderful place for B.E., where he can run & play on the white-sand beach.
I can understand you are concern about B.E. may not get along with Libby’s baby, but I think it is worth a try to wait until baby arrives and see, because it would be so much different if the baby is growing up together with the dogs.  Also, B.E. was quite nervous at the beginning, so he would “reject” all kinds of strangers, but now he is very calm and happy.
Both me & Libby paid lots of afford to provide B.E. the best, hoping you can let B.E. stay with Libby.  It’s very unfortunate I can’t keep him, I strongly recommend he stay in MuiWoo where I think it’s the best for him and I trust Libby can take good care of him.  Please don’t take him back to Taipo, he has to face a bunch of new dogs, get used to share beddings, low quality food, then go to a new home and adapt to all news things again…again and again …. This is a very painful process.
I know how much you love the dogs, so do I & Libby.
P.S.  Libby can send you the pictures of B.E. on the beach.
Sincerly,
Prior Owner
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On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Sally HKDR <Sally@hongkongdogrescue.com> wrote:
Dear Prior Owner,

When a dog is returned to HKDR then ownership is transferred back as well.

With due respect, the rest has nothing to do with you.  I am acting in the best interests of the dog.  What Libby has failed to tell you is that after glowing reports of how well Nina was doing and how well she and Sawyer were getting on, completely out of the blue I got an email to say that Nina was a problem dog and they weren’t keeping her.  I also asked if Libby and Dan wanted to adopt Big Ears and they said they wanted to think about it and then didn’t get back to me.  At that time I didn’t know that Libby was pregnant or I would never even have suggested it.

Leaving Big Ears in a home that will almost certainly have to give him up when the baby arrives isn’t in the dog’s best interest, and he must come back.  That is the end of it.

Regards,

Sally

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On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Libby wrote:
Excuse me but I did not fail to tell Prior Owner anything. In fact I copied her on the entire email chain so that she could see for herself every single exchange we have had with you over the last few days. Sally, If you really were doing what is best for the dogs then you would be capable of calming down having a discussion with us about Big Ears rather then making unilateral decisions whilst you are admittedly “very upset” for a dog that you don’t even know very well anymore. You yourself say all the time that it’s amazing how a dog’s personality changes when he is in the right home. Big Ears is in the right home. Please be reasonable.

Libby

(And, for the record, at the time you asked about us keeping Big Ears I didn’t know I was pregnant either. Your lack of sensitivity to everyone and every canine involved in this sorry sorry situation is appalling.)

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From: Anon.

Dear Sally:

My husband and I are friends and neighbours of Libby and Dan. We understand there is some question of Big Ears’ homing.

We very much appreciate that you have to deal with a number of people who often act upon a whim and give up their dogs for little or no reason.

That, however, is not the case with Libby and Dan who were very much looking to having a three-dog family comprising Sawyer, Nina and Big Ears. They have spent months trying to make the dogs get along with one another and separately, trying to spend time with Nina on her own so that she feels very much a part of the pack.

We have observed at close hand how Nina, despite the efforts being made by Libby and Dan, just doesn’t fit into their family. Sawyer is very much being pushed into the background and sleeps downstairs now at his own insistence, away from Libby, Dan, Nina and Big Ears. Being a gentle dog, rather than fight back, he chooses to take a step back.

The fact that Libby and Dan waited so long before deciding to give up Nina is simply a tribute to their attempt to make her adjust to their home and this should be applauded. Looking at it from an outside point of view, it seems that discouraging people from bringing dogs back if they keep them in their home too long, could lead to people simply being afraid to foster dogs.

As for Big Ears, he is a very well adjusted and happy little dog. Libby and Dan have a tricycle and a few weeks ago, we saw Big Ears being wheeled around Mui Wo, apparently having the time of his life with a big grin on his animated little face.

Then a few nights ago, when we were over to dinner at their house, we saw Big Ears being shown more love and attention than many a dog gets and he was loving it.

This same love is being showered on both Sawyer and Nina but it seems to make little impression or difference to Nina.

When there are so many dogs genuinely in need of a home, it doesn’t make sense to take one happy little dog out of his new family where he is obviously receiving a lot of love.

Yours Sincerely,

Anon.

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Libby,

Whatever you may think about me is irrelevant.  The emails can stop and the dogs must come back, at least Big Ears (who is legally mine).  If you want to return Nina at the same time then I think that’s a good idea.  If you don’t want to bring Big Ears to Tai Po I will ask someone to collect him from you.

Sally

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Libby

to Sally, adoptions, kennels, foster, Daniel

Well you are just determined to be wretched about this, aren’t you? I don’t know which would be more difficult on Big Ears, being left at the kennel by me and Dan or being taken from our home by a stranger. For his sake I would like to offer to foster him until a new permanent adoptive home can be found.
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Sally HKDR

to kennels, me, adoptions, foster, dan

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Libby, I want him back now so he can be seen by others.  I am starting to get very annoyed about this and please don’t push me further.
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Libby

to Sally, adoptions, kennels, foster, dsantella

I cannot apologize for going to the absolute end of the line in order to do what I think is best for both dogs; I should think you would understand my passion as it is one we share. I can absolutely assure you Big Ears will not do well in the shelter. I am happy to bring him to Whiskers ‘n Paws on Sundays so that he can be seen. I am also happy to help him find a new home as I know a lot of dog-friendly ones. (Please note I made this same offer for Nina but you rejected it.) It is so sad, as I type this Sawyer and Big Ears are wrestling together in our living room. I implore you to see reason here.
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Sally HKDR

to me, adoptions, kennels, foster, dan

Libby, I will tell you one more time. I want Big Ears back.  This is not a choice on your part.  I want him at Tai Po for tomorrow which is a holiday.
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Libby to Sally:
You are a stubborn old cow. Why you refuse to even talk with us about this is simply beyond me. I am of good mind not to return Nina to you given your irrational nature and lack of judgment. That said you may make arrangements to pick up Big Ears and Nina from my home and inform me of the details. Please come yourself, I will not release either dog to anyone else other then an AFCD officer as it is your name on the license. You have made a sad situation a hundred thousand times worse because of you own pride and well, prejudice. I hope you are pleased.
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Re: Nina & Big Ears‏
From: Libby
Sent: Wed 6/30/10 5:03 PM
To: Sally@hongkongdogrescue.com
Cc: adoptions@hongkongdogrescue.com; kennels@hongkongdogrescue.com; foster@hongkongdogrescue.com; dsantella@hotmail.com; Training@hongkongdogrescue.com; kirstszoo@hotmail.com
In reading over all these emails I realized you never once inquired nor did I mention how Big Ears does with the babies of our friends and the children in our neighborhood. He does fine with them. Does he shower them with kisses? Certainly not. But he has little fear of children and is completely unconcerned with the babies who have visited our home (unless there’s a chance those babies are dropping bits of food on the floor.) I don’t expect this to change your mind as you seem stalwart in your determination to take Big Ears out of our home but I think it’s important for you to know this piece of information. Furthermore it is unfair of you to call him our “baby” who is bound to be replaced by a human baby. While I will admit to scooping him up for the occasional snuggle Big Ears spends his time with four paws on the ground just like our other dogs. He is a member of our pack, not a baby, and not only does he seem to understand this but I daresay it’s probably why he is doing so well in our care. I am so very disappointed that you have rejected our every attempt to have any discussion about Big Ears.
I am still waiting to hear from you with respect to your plans for retrieving both dogs; if you are as set on it as you seem then please do me the courtesy of letting me know when to expect your representative.

Libby

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From Sally’s Blog, 1 July

“I spent a lot of the day dealing with another situation, one that inevitably ended in rancour.  Without going into the details, the deciding factor  as far as I’m concerned is always going to be what is best from the dog’s point of view. Both of the dogs involved in this case had come from AFCD, one subsequently adopted and the other fostered (in the same home).  With every single dog that I have taken out of government kennels, the image that is forever in my mind and memory is of that dog either when I first saw it, or at the time I actually took it out.  I remember the look in the dogs’ eyes, the fear or the trust, and making the connection that is the first step.  So when something happens to the dogs I feel it personally, whether it’s good or bad.  It makes me sad and angry when I think a dog has been let down, or when promises have been broken.  The dogs are the voiceless ones that have no power to make a choice, and I will always try to do what I think is best for them even if it means being on the receiving end of abusive calls or emails.  It’s part of this work that I’ve come to expect, and I know that everyone else doing the same job has the same experiences.”

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Libby

to Sally et al

Gee Sally, I don’t recall having ever spoken with you by telephone even once much less called you up and been abusive. And I certainly didn’t think literally begging you to see reason over Big Ears qualified as email abuse. I’m so sorry you felt that way. You did however hit one nail on the head: “the dogs are voiceless in that they have now power to make a choice.” Could Big Ears chose for himself I think you and I both know where he would like best to be. It is such a shame that you are doing this to him, a dog that you barely know anything about. He is NOT treated like a baby in our home and, contrary to your claim that “most dogs do not like children” there is plenty of expert opinion out there that says otherwise. I know none of this is reaching you but I’m putting it out there just the same.

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From: Libby
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 1:26 PM
To: Sally@hongkongdogrescue.com
Subject: Re: Nina & Big Ears

Sally,
Not sure what your plans are but it’s after 1:00 pm so my husband and I have been waiting to hear from you all day. We’re going out for a bit but I’ll have my blackberry on me. Please, if you can, take a minute to look at the video Dan put together for you to try to better explain our situation. Even if it doesn’t change your mind it would mean a lot to us to know you watched it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWwoEqSPcjQ) I am also attaching a photo of Big Ears with our friend’s baby who was over this morning.
Libby

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Sally HKDR

to me, adoptions, kennels, foster, dsantella, Training, kirstszoo

show details 1:45 PM (7 hours ago)
Libby,
It will be tomorrow (Friday) as I have to arrange a van to go to Tai Po.

Finding Big Ears a nice new home won’t be a problem, it’s Nina that concerns me.  I’m sure that Big Ears is happy and that he is enjoying his life with you but it doesn’t change the fact that you are expecting a baby and I’m not prepared to risk having him returned when things go pear shaped after the baby arrives.  I have seen this too many times before and you can’t know how he will react.  By then he will have lived with you for almost a year and it’s almost certain that he won’t be happy having competition.  The choice is to find him a new home when he’s only been with you a short time or the prospect of him having to go when he is fully integrated and settled.  I have been doing this work for well over 20 years and I’ve seen it all before.  In fact, look at Big Ears himself and his short-lived adoption with Previous Owner.  She made all the promises despite really wanting a dachshund.  I am doing what I think is the best for Big Ears.

Sally

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Libby Donohoe

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show details 3:45 PM (5 hours ago)
Sally,
I still don’t understand why we’re doing this because of something

that *might* happen. You said it yourself, “you can’t know how he’ll react.”
I would so prefer to keep him and see what actually happens.
Should your prediction of worst-case-scenario come
to be in Feb then we could all work together to effect the easiest
rehoming for BE (I have several dog-friendly friends who could step in
to help). That said we would also work really hard to prepare Big Ears
in advance for the arrival of our new family member so as to minimize
as much as possible the post-baby adjustment.  We are not oblivious
people who want to keep a cute dog, we are dog people through and
through, much like yourself.
Libby

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Sally HKDR

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Libby,

I understand you are refusing to give your address to Okka so she can pick the dogs up.  The reason we don’t have your Mui Wo address is because you adopted Nina when you lived in Robinson Road and you took Big Ears directly from Rebecca rather than from Tai Po.

You asked that the dogs be picked up rather than bring them to Tai Po yourself.  So what are you planning to do now?  Of course it will be easy to find out where you live as Mui Wo is a small place but I would really rather not have to start playing games.  Nina is officially your dog so you don’t have to hand her back but not keeping her was your choice, not ours.  You are welcome to keep her. Big Ears is, however, my dog, so you don’t have that same choice with regard to him.

Sally

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Sally,

1. Removing Big Ears from a home in which he is happy and adjusted to a shelter will, without doubt destroy, him. If you were capable of putting aside your ego and your vendetta against us and truly think about what is best for the dog you would have to agree with me.

2. I see absolutely no reason to be helpful to you as you have made everything about this absolutely hellish for us. I don’t give a damn why you don’t have my address and it is simply not my problem that you’re not organized enough to have it in your files. You’re a woman with resources, in this instance you’ll have to use them.

3. When either you, or your representative accompanied by an AFCD officer who is legally certified to attest to the representative’s legitimacy, appear at my door I will give you Big Ears and Nina.

4. For the record I never asked you to come pick up Big Ears. I think it’s obvious to all that if you want him you will have to come and get him.

Libby

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Sally HKDR

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show details 10:08 PM (37 minutes ago)

Libby,

If you don’t provide an address then do not expect us to take Nina back nor help with finding her a home.  She’s yours.  Big Ears will still be mine and you won’t be able to renew the license or take ever him abroad.  Okka can pick up the dogs tomorrow morning, but if I don’t hear from you then you won’t hear from me.

Sally

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Dan

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show details 10:51 PM (0 minutes ago)
Sally,
I have been trying very hard to remain calm and appeal to your logic, but at this point it clear you have absolutely none. Yes, Big Ears is technically yours, but you have no idea what kind of dog he has become.  Given how little you know about him, your carelessness and unilateral decision making in this situation is quite disturbing.  Removing Big Ears from any home and bringing him to a shelter IS NOT in his best interest.  We have offered to adopt him. We have offered to foster him until my wife has our child and work to find him a placement IF things do not work out.  This would be the easiest transition for BE and thus in his best interest.  To any mediator or person willing to negotiate, this would represent a reasonable compromise and a working solution that would best benefit BE. It appears to be your blind pride and ego-maniacal character that prevents you from working with us in an adult fashion.  I know in my heart that most, if not all, of your staff understand the benefits of keeping BE (who has already been re-homed twice) in a safe, loving home, but will be too scared of your eratic and petulant character to say so.  I am a dog lover, as are you.  It is too bad you could not bring yourself to meet us on common ground.  We will continue to voice our opinions through the internet and in person to let people know how poorly you have acted in this case.  We have already received numerous expressions of sadness over BE’s situation.  It is not our intention to hurt dogs, but merely to let the public know the idiocy that rules HKDR and steer them towards other adoption organizations.  We will no longer solicit support for your shelter, nor support you in the Peak to Fong fundraisers as we have done in the past.  Your behavior has resulted in this truly tragic situation that you must own.  I know that all of this will be for naught, as you will merely turn my words and use them as evidence that I am unreasonable, but they must be said.  We will work hard to find a suitable home for Nina.  We will do whatever it takes to keep Sawyer happy and healthy.  We will continue to love BE long after you have forgotten about him.
Sincerely and with regret,
Dan
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 23:33:31 +0000

Dear Dan and Libby,

I’m sorry, but I can not read or listen to anymore of this – just return the dogs or keep Nina.

There is NOTHING left to say, the dog/s have to be returned whether you or anyone else likes it or not!

Please just do so, and put an end to this madness!

Kirsten.

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Daniel

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show details 7:55 AM (0 minutes ago)

Kirsten,
I agree that the situation is out of hand.  And, for your sanity, I will take you off any future correspondence between Sally and ourselves and we will surrender the dogs.  Just out of curiosity, did you send an e-mail to Sally imploring her to end this madness and just let us adopt Big Ears?  We were not the only ones with the power to end this…
Dan

Sally, our address is (REDACTED)… please have Okka come at 9AM to pick them up.

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Sally HKDR

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show details 12:10 PM (20 hours ago)

Libby, I don’t want to meet you or talk to you.  I have things to do at WNP, and things to do every day.  Please take the dogs to Tai Po today  as agreed.___________________________________

Libby

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show details 7:49 PM (12 hours ago)
Sally,

Will not come to WNP if you are so against it. However we do not have the time to bring the dogs all the way to Tai Po on tomorrow. Dan will bring them both first thing on Monday morning.

Please understand that you already ARE uprooting Big Ears from a home and a life that he has totally settled into. He’s been here more than a month and is very attached his routines and particularly to Vilma, our helper, so much so that he hops off our bed in the mornings and sits outside of her room at 6:00 am ready for his daily beach walk. I understand that you don’t want to “risk” uprooting him later and I am asking you to understand that given how settled and happy he is, doing it now just as bad as doing it later. If you allow us to adopt him then there’s a good possibility that he won’t ever have to be uprooted at all but if you take him away now the uprooting and damage to Big Ears are guaranteed. And god forbid you re-home and his adoption fails, again. Dan and I are dog people (believe it or not) and we know the amount work it takes to help a furry family member be prepared for and adjust to the arrival of a newborn, it’s one of the first things we talked about when we learned that I was pregnant. Of course I understand you’re not interested in my thoughts on this, you’ve made that very clear from the start. To you I am just a selfish ditz who wants to keep a cute dog while tossing another one to the curb. I know I will probably never be able to get you to see me in any other way.

Again, will bring both dogs first thing Monday. Dan has the day off from work so he can do it, I will not be accompanying him.

Libby ps: sorry (sort of) that you have been getting so many emails, I swear the only person I asked to reach out to you (aside from Kristen) was Michelle (and I’m not even sure if she did) because they are both animal welfare people and can vouch for my dedication to animals. Anyone else who wrote you did so on their own accord and not at my request. I do wish that you would stop replying to people that we asked to rehome Nina out of the blue and never told you there was were any problems with her as that is flat out lie, we did send email requesting advice on her rough play with Sawyer and when we agreed to make the adoption official we expressly noted that things weren’t perfect. Thanks.

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Sally HKDR

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show details 9:55 PM (10 hours ago)

Libby,

Okka can pick the dogs up tomorrow and take them to Tai Po.  Can I assume 10am is OK?

Sally

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Libby

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show details 10:39 PM (10 hours ago)

Sally,

Founder’s Syndrome. Google it and get help. I will communicate with Okka directly about pick up so that there is no need for you and I to ever have contact again.

Libby

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And that my friends is how Big Ears lost his home.
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